Mike Tyson vs Oleksandr Usyk

[Ambling Alp II]

Tyrell Biggs made it 7 and Tucker went the full 12 but Usyk cant make it four. People must have a low view of Usyk

Tucker had a great chin. Yes Tyrell Biggs made it the 7th round. Tyson stopped a lot of guys earlier than that though. Of course, there is a chance that Usyk would make it that far. The odds are he would not have.

[Klee Gluckman]

The funny thing is that if this fight was in 1988 no one would back Usyk no one.

There is a lot of revisionism with Tyson,.

Tyson is 1988 would beat Usyk I think the trifecta was impressive

[gilgamesh]

I'd take Mike by KO in the 8th or so.

[2205880]

Tyson vs Usyk is interesting because both have such different strengths. The late-80s Tyson is the toughest version for Usyk - fast head movement, quick feet, and real pressure. Usyk could outbox the 1991 and 95-96 versions over the distance, but the prime Tyson is a much harder matchup.

[elmersalsa]

Tyson is everything bad for Usyk. On the other hand, i would favor Usyk over Ali and Ali over Tyson. Styles make fights

Oleksander Usyk over Muhammad Ali??? Never. Ali was too fast.

[elmersalsa]

The 3 factors why Mike Tyson lost his fights

1. The fighter wasn't afraid (Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis for example, were not afraid of him)

2. The boxers were bigger and stronger (Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis all over again)

3. The boxers got good boxing skills (there we go again with Douglas, Holy and Lewis)

That means Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes and George Foreman would have beaten Tyson, too. Those 3 got the attributes to beat Tyson.

[2128778]

The 3 factors why Mike Tyson lost his fights

1. The fighter wasn't afraid (Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis for example, were not afraid of him)

2. The boxers were bigger and stronger (Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis all over again)

3. The boxers got good boxing skills (there we go again with Douglas, Holy and Lewis)

That means Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes and George Foreman would have beaten Tyson, too. Those 3 got the attributes to beat Tyson.

Would you include Usyk in this list?

[elmersalsa]

The 3 factors why Mike Tyson lost his fights

1. The fighter wasn't afraid (Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis for example, were not afraid of him)

2. The boxers were bigger and stronger (Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis all over again)

3. The boxers got good boxing skills (there we go again with Douglas, Holy and Lewis)

That means Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes and George Foreman would have beaten Tyson, too. Those 3 got the attributes to beat Tyson.

Would you include Usyk in this list?

I don't think that he would be stronger than Tyson.

[gilgamesh]

The 3 factors why Mike Tyson lost his fights

1. The fighter wasn't afraid (Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis for example, were not afraid of him)

2. The boxers were bigger and stronger (Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis all over again)

3. The boxers got good boxing skills (there we go again with Douglas, Holy and Lewis)

That means Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes and George Foreman would have beaten Tyson, too. Those 3 got the attributes to beat Tyson.

Would you include Usyk in this list?

I don't think that he would be stronger than Tyson.

Yeah that's Usyk's biggest problem here. He definitely has the skill, but the gap in strength and punching power would be pretty significant.

Tyson was also faster.

[The Docker]

People overlook the original iteration of Mike.
He would have had complete disregard for Usyk and walked straight through him.
Not even sure he'd need to duck and weave his speed, power and self belief had that much conviction.
The later iteration would have been confused to f*ck where any outcome is likely.

[Cojimar 1946]

Usyk ko 10

[giacomino]

I kind of go with the consensus. Tyson pre-Douglas beats Usyk, maybe even the pre-Holyfield version but less likely. Tyson was shot post-Holyfield I and Usyk would box his ears off

[keithmoonhangover]

Anyone who thinks Usyk is going to stop peak Tyson really needs to adjust their meds.

He couldn't stop Joshua, Chisora, Briedis, Gassiev and Hunter. Say what you want about Tyson, but before Prison, Tyson had a great chin and was difficult to hit cleanly.

[Klee Gluckman]

I don't think the Tucher and Smith survived argument works here. Those guys did not come to win. Tubbs won more rounds of Tyson than Smith and Tubbs beat Snith, but only lasted two rounds against Tyson, whereas Smith went the distance. '

I get roasted for saying this but I think Usyk would get beaten by a few in the 80's. Maybe its nostalgia but I feel like the Heavyweight division has been very disapoiting since Lennox retired. No real big fight to get hyped about.

[gilgamesh]

One little detail a lot of us are probably overlooking is the fact that Usyk is actually the bigger man in this match.

It's natural to think of someone as the smaller man when they move up in weight while the other guy always was at that weight class, but if we take both Tyson and Usyk as they were at their best as Heavyweight Champions, Usyk is both taller and heavier than Tyson. Tyson is still going to have punching power and speed on him, but Usyk's skill and combined with his size is definitely going to prove to be a hard Nights work for Mike.

I still like my original prediction of Tyson by KO around the 8th, but I wouldn't be surprised if he had to come from behind to get it, and considering it's Mike we're talking about and he never came from behind to beat anybody, it's quite possible he just doesn't come back in the fight.

Mike couldn't decision Usyk. It'd be knockout or bust.

[Cent0089]

Prime Tyson is everything wrong for Usyk. Styles make fights. Cannot see anything else than Tyson stoppage.

[2128778]

One little detail a lot of us are probably overlooking is the fact that Usyk is actually the bigger man in this match.

It's natural to think of someone as the smaller man when they move up in weight while the other guy always was at that weight class, but if we take both Tyson and Usyk as they were at their best as Heavyweight Champions, Usyk is both taller and heavier than Tyson. Tyson is still going to have punching power and speed on him, but Usyk's skill and combined with his size is definitely going to prove to be a hard Nights work for Mike.

I still like my original prediction of Tyson by KO around the 8th, but I wouldn't be surprised if he had to come from behind to get it, and considering it's Mike we're talking about and he never came from behind to beat anybody, it's quite possible he just doesn't come back in the fight.

Mike couldn't decision Usyk. It'd be knockout or bust.

Which fights of their both would you consider their primes? Like, if we talk about "best form vs best form".

And here's another scenario. As if current Usyk (who, apparently, wasn't at his best against Rico) meets Tyson of 1996 (who wasn't at his best as well, but went into Holyfield fight as an overwhelming favourite).

[gilgamesh]

One little detail a lot of us are probably overlooking is the fact that Usyk is actually the bigger man in this match.

It's natural to think of someone as the smaller man when they move up in weight while the other guy always was at that weight class, but if we take both Tyson and Usyk as they were at their best as Heavyweight Champions, Usyk is both taller and heavier than Tyson. Tyson is still going to have punching power and speed on him, but Usyk's skill and combined with his size is definitely going to prove to be a hard Nights work for Mike.

I still like my original prediction of Tyson by KO around the 8th, but I wouldn't be surprised if he had to come from behind to get it, and considering it's Mike we're talking about and he never came from behind to beat anybody, it's quite possible he just doesn't come back in the fight.

Mike couldn't decision Usyk. It'd be knockout or bust.

Which fights of their both would you consider their primes? Like, if we talk about "best form vs best form".

And here's another scenario. As if current Usyk (who, apparently, wasn't at his best against Rico) meets Tyson of 1996 (who wasn't at his best as well, but went into Holyfield fight as an overwhelming favourite).

There's something like a 10 year age gap between the Tyson that fought Holyfield and the Usyk that fought Rico.

Tyson's best is generally considered to be 1988 which sounds about right to me. Usyk was probably as good as he'd ever be for the Joshua fights actually. Considering his age I'd think the Usyk from the Joshua fights is probably more physically suited for a fight with a guy like Mike Tyson than any other era of his.

[gilgamesh]

Another interesting tactical challenge to consider is that to the best of my memory Mike Tyson never fought a Southpaw. Win or Lose. He never fought one.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm racking my brain trying to think of a Southpaw opponent he may have fought and I'm coming up empty.

[2128778]

Another interesting tactical challenge to consider is that to the best of my memory Mike Tyson never fought a Southpaw. Win or Lose. He never fought one.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm racking my brain trying to think of a Southpaw opponent he may have fought and I'm coming up empty.

I think, you are correct. By the way, same with Lennox. I don't think Lewis fought a southpaw. At least, in pros.

[Cent0089]

Another interesting tactical challenge to consider is that to the best of my memory Mike Tyson never fought a Southpaw. Win or Lose. He never fought one.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm racking my brain trying to think of a Southpaw opponent he may have fought and I'm coming up empty.

Wow that is actually interesting